Can I just repeat that they are only 12??? If they are still the same at 18, with no real clue as to the origins of goth, that will be a bit sad. Note I say 'the origins of goth', as with any scene it evolves and changes. I don't think we have any right to decide what is goth nowadays and what isn't.
I just happen to believe that people should have a basic history of the scene they label themselves under, even if that scene isn't the same today.
What needs to be addressed is the media portrayal of goth in general that gives kids the idea that you have to conform to a certain ideal to be 'gothic enough'. Its very frustrating that they aren't being given much access to finding out how to be themselves without facing criticism.
They need to be taught confidence to be who they want They are just trying to find themselves, and I wish them luck in doing so. Icklepurklegirl orgionally Norfolk resident, now M Wed Nov 24 Marc, Ipswich Wed Nov 24 These poeple are not goths and the music mentioned on this news article does not mention ANY goth bands!!!
The Media are constantly getting the image of the goth scene wrong!!! They are not goths, they are what is known as Spooky Kids. And there style of clothes looks Sk8r not goth.
They are not even doomcookies. Goths wear black and listen to goth music. A Goth - Ireland Wed Nov 24 Yo, You guys are my hero. Will you hang out with me? I think you guys are really cool. Necrophobic Wed Nov 24 You guys are only 12, you'll figure out what all of this really means to you and you'll realize pretty quick that there's more to this sub-culture than wearing dark clothes and makeup.
That's what I thought it was all about at first, then I started to figure some things out. I'm glad you've found a lot of friends to hang out with. It's always nice to have some people to relate to. Steph - Hoschton Wed Nov 24 Next week they will be wearing baggy sports clothes and be in to Eminem. Belle, Melbourne Australia Wed Nov 24 Being different by not being classed as a "townie", but ironically finding indivuality by labelling yourself as a goth Do whatever you want, just don't claim originality when some of the ways you caught onto being goth were by seeing some kids in the local Mickey D's that "looked really cool".
I started dressing in black about 5 or 6 years ago, I wore the black lipstick and get into Mr. Melissa, Scotland Wed Nov 24 Wear what thou wants. To hell with thou others. Speak out. Don't hold back. Be what thou wants to be.
Wed Nov 24 OK, so there are new people who are into popular "gothic" music and fashion. That's almost interesting, although I'm pretty sure it's happened before. But "gothic" is far deeper than this and especially in literature; if the timeless classics of Edgar Allan Poe, Mary Shelley, H.
Lovecraft express anything, it is that there is a disturbing borderlands between fact and emotion, reason and romance, science and fantasy. Fisrt off I'd like to say that it's really cool that there are a whole bunch of younger kids getting into manson and murderdols and cradle of filth and stuff. Skyler,California Wed Nov 24 Shame the music is'nt as good as it used to be! K, EDinburgh Tue Nov 23 Wow, this is so funny.
Chris, ocean springs Tue Nov 23 Rock or raver Indie or hiphopper Goth or glam None of it matters as long as you are true to yourself. Mik, Melbourne Tue Nov 23 I think you guys are pretty cute But, at the end of the day it takes a lot of balls to stand out from the crowd at any age and I respect that. You guys have to start somewhere but I do hope you try to learn more about the culture you claim to be a part of None of the bands you mentioned are goth, strictly speaking.
Steve Underdog. Tue Nov 23 Cob Tue Nov 23 Being a goth is not defined by wearing black clothes, black nail varnish and eyeliner. Being a goth isn't really anything. The type of music or the way you dress doesn't really define what you are. You can like typical 'goth' music but still like adidas.
Being goth is just something you feel, not something to bost about, other don't bost about being 'townies', why do goth's bost? Anna, Essex Tue Nov 23 I'm not a gothic girl Marry Cherry, Brazil Tue Nov 23 Lord Mercy is just to cool to have a picture! And my mum wont let me were wite face paint whats that about! Henry London Tue Nov 23 I might be wrong Andy Tue Nov 23 Ok guys and girls, the comment "Goths love wearing black - whether it's black clothes or make-up because they like to look different from other people.
By the way Good Charlotte arnt gothic there Comershial Punk-rock which also shows that your imature. Take it easy. Kristopher, Bath Tue Nov 23 I slightly went through this when I was in a similar school year. I'm now 18 and realise that you don't need to dress like a kindergoth to appreciate the music you like. I wear normal jeans and t-shirts and yet my favourite bands are Marilyn Manson, Machine Head, Hatebreed etc. I love my heavy metal and my rock music but have grown out of all black clothes and black lipstick.
I feel quite sorry for the young children who dress this way as they don't fully understand what being a 'goth' is all about. Bless them all. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it! Particlezen Tue Nov 23 Being "goth" is an attempt at nonconformity by conformity. Notice how clothes and makeup were emphasized in this article.
A majority of these "goths" are just as superficial as many of the "preppy" people, who they despise so much. But hey, they're kids. It's natural for them to get caught up in these fads. Also, just a note: Good Charlotte is a band worshipped by little teeny boppers in sparkly abercrombie tee shirts.
Thank you. Anonymous Tue Nov 23 We all started out like this when we were younger. They'll evolve into "real" goths later on blower Tue Nov 23 I think it's fine to be a goth because I like dressing in black myself but I'm shocked that some people like you guys know at year 7. I was still a 'pink lady' in year 7. I only discovered that I liked black when I started year 10 and people at my school give me dirty looks on non-school uniform days so I don't like to show that I like black.
I don't consider myself a goth even though I would really love to be one we don't as a family have the financial things for getting new clothes.
I don't like slip knot because I think that they are not people who make music. You cannot even call what noise that they make music.
It's a lot of screaming and shouting swear words just to sound cool. Then again I'm not sayign that I'm hard myself because I like soft rock like Evanescence, Silverchair and Linken Park so what ever you like is fine I guess from all different eyes and different perspectives. So rock on dudes and have a good life. Moira ,Norwich Tue Nov 23 The Goth lifestyle is great, Personally I don't dress all in black.. But I like most of the bands.
This makes me kinda sad in the sarcastic kinda way ,first of all,Dimmu Borgir is NOT from Germany,they are from Norway,and if you really like a band you know were they are from too!
And second of all,a goth is a life enjouyer to a certain point,a philosopher. Many goths use much of their time on music,very often classical or soemthing symphinic,and very often metal too.
Many of them study occultism but keep themselves on the good side. Many goths are slo christians too. You dont have to wear all black clothes and wear a lot of black eya make-up to be a goth. Another thing is that I dont think a 12 year old kind can go around and say he or she is a goth,there is alot more than just a different style to being goth,wich I personally dont think a 12 year old kid could posess But this is just my personal opinion Line,Norway Tue Nov 23 Laura, Cardiff Tue Nov 23 Goth is an attidude, not a fashion statement, even though i am not a goth myself, many of my friends are and they have strong beliefs, so i dont think that you lot really are goths Lucy, bath Tue Nov 23 Good Charlotte??
Jo Jo- portsmouth Tue Nov 23 Im a big heavy metal fan and i listen to slipknot,korn,marilyn manson,hatebreed,murderdolls,cradle of filth and alot more but i dont wear makeup and dress just in black. Dipper Tue Nov 23 Just be yourselves, if you like Goth style clothing etc go for it.
Much better than the sheep like lets look down on everything burberry wearing massive who seem t o have jumped on the comments so far. Sid, Cambridge Tue Nov 23 Not to be too downbeat about the whole thing but surely in a world populated by over 6 billion people, being an individual is an unrealistic goal. Being yourself is all that really matters. You don't need to like music at all if you don't want to. Dress how you want, listen to what you want but don't ever think you're being an 'individual'.
It's downright arrogant to be honest. Some might even say that if you find yourself drawn to these obvious cliques you're much less of an individual than those that blend into the background a little bit more. Just a thought. Chris, Durham Tue Nov 23 Nah sad ain't it??? Just like this in my opinion. Well done to the people involved in this, I know many pople are embarrased by this coz they feel you have a point to prove, i agree.
I wouldn't call it goth. But if this is what makes you guys happy then go for it. Good luck with whatever you do in your 'life's', enojy!!! Wingless Angel, Bedfordshire Tue Nov 23 Mephister, Sheffield Tue Nov 23 If that's what will make them happy as it were , then they can do what they want. It's not what I'd call goth, then again I'm probably not what others would call goth. My parents thought that I was going through a phase and that was nearly twenty years ago!
Goth fits me like a black glove. If they grow out of it then they were just flirting with the darkness that lives within us all read: humanity, ie not just goths in general , if they don't then I hope that maturity brings out the greater goth within. Education, life experience and enlightenment all make for better people. Good luck guys! Kierin, Sydney Tue Nov 23 Listen, little ones. Stop criticising each other. Stop trying to draw a line that neatly classifies everything.
Some hard dance music is far more goth than the glorified pop stars mentioned. Don't take yourselfedf so seriously, because others sure as hell won't. Have fun, wear what you want, listen to what you like, do what makes you feel good. Now, where did I put my Rasmus hoodie Sparkleboy, Portsmouth Tue Nov 23 Sounds like no-good punks to me.
Vanity, a dark hole under the floorboards. Goth isn't about wearing make-up and listening to cheesy ass nu-metal bands. It's a stolen sub-culture from Germany, that's all, just something for rebellious idiot pubescent teens to indulge theirselves in.. Tyler, Colorado Tue Nov 23 And maybe read some books and think for themselves. It isn't really individualistic if you're all doing the same style is it? You shouldn't have to define yourself through clothing.
My hair is dyed black and I don't have to label myself. Listen to some David Bowie. Be yourself jake from jersey Tue Nov 23 That'll show everyone. Awww, how cute. They're not goth, just a bunch of spooky kids. Being a Goth used to be an original form of expression, but now there are so many "goths" it is no longer original and I find most goths to be depressing and really hard to be around because they usually only talk about negative or disturbing things.
Those are my thoughts I still don't care about how you dress, what you listen to or whatever, it's just not for me. I can't believe that in all the comments here, from all the people professing a love of 'goth' music, no-one has mentioned Joy Division. Poor old Ian topped himself. How far does a goth have to go to get credibility with you people?
As far as the rest of it goes - do what you want, kids. You're only this young once, and at least you're not listening to Britney. Azazel - Australia Tue Nov 23 Jess, Hampshire Mon Nov 22 Awe bless, baby bats! KJ , Cardiff Mon Nov 22 All these kids that think they're being unique, creative, and individual, I hope they one day realize that the bands they listen to, the way they dress, and the way they act is just as commercialized as the rest of mainstream society.
You're nothing special, you're all just tag-alongs, including "punks" "goths" and the newer "emo" kids. You all think you're being individuals and you've got your heads so far up your butts you don't see the bigger picture.
The same corporations who push brand name clothes and pop music and entertainment on mainstream society are the same corporations that signed your little bands to begin with.
I think not You're gonna grow up and realize that you don't have to express yourself to others through your music or clothes. Be content with yourself and don't hold grudges on society.
After all, you're all the same as the rest of them, in one way or another, whether you admit it or not Jeff, US Mon Nov 22 Same window, different visual. Liam: Swindon Mon Nov 22 Wow thats so fresh and diffrent. All trying so hard to be so different yet all ending up looking exactly the same. Its pathetic. Luke Mon Nov 22 Ah hell with it, let them enjoy themselves while they don't have anything more serious to worry about, thats the fun of being young.
Just remember to not take yourself too seriously pointless saying to a teenager i know. Oh yeah, try a few of the heavier bands mentioned on here, Carcass etc, might set your head banging. Ant, London Mon Nov 22 This isnt goth. Dump the trashy punk - pick up a few good punk CDs. Derek Mon Nov 22 I hate this whole "goth" culture. I aint even going to start becuase i'll never finish. Basicaly i used to think it was cool, did the black clothes and all that, but its just a phase you grow out of it.
I started getting in to oldschool hardcore and it opend my eyes alot, it isn't about what you look like or how you act its about the music and what it means to you. Its not a fashon show and i dont care what you say it is or it wouldnt be massed produced and sold in shops all over the place. Squire Mon Nov 22 Babygoffs who I desperately hope will one day realise that Slipknot et al are not Goth bands and discover some of the better bands out there big hint 'The Merry Thoughts'.
However, at least they aren't a bunch of Burberry apes and that is a good thing in my book. Von Mon Nov 22 I've been reading some of the comments and I think some of you guys are being far too harsh. These kids are only 12 after all, they need to experiment - that's what being a kid is all about! They may 'grow out of it', but they might decide to stick with it, and to be honest who cares. These guys just need to stop doing what I did at their age - they're too keen to pigeon hole themselves.
I used to hate townies, but now find I get on with quite a few. It's not a case of what music they listen to or how they dress, it's a case of their personality. You can get a goth who's an absolute idiot, and you can get a townie who is really nice. You just need to see past the clothing. After all you don't wanna be judged yourself, so why judge others. All you people who have commented in a negative way should get off your high horses and remember that you're not helping things by being patronising and hurtful.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe it's people like you that these kids are trying to escape. Joanne, Leicester Mon Nov 22 I honestly don't care for opinions of individuals on the topic. However, I do think it would be a good idea if the people at the BBC and in the media would stop trying to classify something which, lets be honest, can never be classified properly because there are far to many definitions referring to the kind of sub cultures.
Architecture, novels, that's the kind of mesage should be spreading, not personaility orientated ones. Azmodan Mon Nov 22 I remember my goth days, I had a black mohican and wore make up even to go to the shops.
And I was a second generation Goth, not even an original so I'm talking mid to late 90s so let's just stop this nonsense that it's all a fad. Nightwish are boss. Oh, and so are The Cure and Lacuna Coil. Lotte, Manchester Mon Nov 22 Merrick Mayfair-Hell Mon Nov 22 It's quite interesting to see all the points of view, but that's basically the problem.
Like almost any other modern cultural term "Goth" means different things to different people. Obviously those that have been around longer will have a better general idea of what 'Goth' is, but that doesn't mean that those that started attaching the 'Goth' tag to whatever band they currently like this week as being 'Goth' are necessarily wrong.
The ones that are "in the wrong", so to speak, are those that state that their perception of what goth is as cold, hard fact. Anyone that says otherwise simply wasn't there at the time. And don't bring up the 'sacking of Rome' or 'architecture' into the argument because they're definitions of a different type of 'Goth', just as the word 'Gay' doesn't automatically mean happy and cheerful anymore: if you insist that it does then you're just making yourself look like a pedant.
Labelling it as "a fad that they'll grow out of" are just naieve and patronising too. They may well grow out of it, although I think I've been told that for the past 20 years or so and haven't yet done so, but then it's not as if I'm suddenly going to stop doing what I enjoy doing. I don't cringe when I look back at old photos because I've enjoyed every minute of being a Goth thus far. Alexander from London Mon Nov 22 I hope they grow up to realise that Slipknot and Marilyn Manson aren't goth bands, they're metal bands.
I was listening to metal when I was their age and I wore some makeup too, but I was a metal fan, not a goth. The evolution of these bands in the British scene today are bands such the Church of Nightbreed's Midnight Configuration and Skeletal Family. Gothic rock doesn't really exist much any more as it's evolved into Darkwave.
I have no problem with people liking many genres of music, as what's the point being nonconformist by being goth and then conforming to the tired stereotypes of that subculture? My wardrobe may be filled with black clothes, but I have also have many colourful clothes that glow under UV.
I have felt like I had to hide my darker side a bit at jobs before. Or at least initially to let people get to know me before declaring my love for skulls. I had a poster of Richmond IT crowd above my desk. Before that I worked with architects, so no-one thought wearing all black all the time was unusual. Elz: I am an English teacher. It can hurt sometimes and be annoying when you just want to go about your business, everyone on some level wants to belong and not be judged.
Emma: When October rolls around and suddenly everyone is dressed like Wednesday Addams. In my friendship group we all love coming together and getting excited about the things that we love: spooky things, gothy music, alternative clothes etc.
Lisa-Rose: Being an individual who is comfortable to dress how I want and like what I want and not have to pretend to be anything to suit anybody else. Tim: Finding a matching black t-shirt and pair of jeans. Going to the pub with your goth mates. Watching a good goth band play. Dancing at a goth nightclub to goth music.
As a member of the subculture, it's important that you teach baby bats and people willing to learn about the scene. This stops the spreading of misinformation and gives baby bats the correct information they need to be able to develop into the subculture.
If the media's "definition" of goth reaches them first, they may feel they're obliged to participate in negative stereotypes like attempting to worship the devil or self harming. Above all of this, too many baby bats have been unintentionally throwing goth customs and traditions that make goth what it is out of the window.
Without the background and history, goth would not be what it is today. Goth did not go from a complete social subculture with music and fashion relations to someone's opinion, or simply just a psychological "mindset". Remind them that goth culture is about self-expression. Forcing someone to conform goes against goth philosophy.
As for yourself, feel free to explore the areas of goth culture that appeal to you. There's nothing wrong with wearing goth makeup but having different tastes in music, for example. Not Helpful 46 Helpful Goth fashion is more diverse than many people realize.
Medieval, Victorian, and Edwardian fashion are all popular in some goth circles. Note that some goths use the word "Edwardian" to refer to the artist and writer Edward Gorey, instead of the historical period.
Not Helpful 29 Helpful Try not to react, as this will encourage them to keep teasing you. Severe or constant teasing is a form of bullying, which you can report to an adult.
You may need to talk to more than one adult, or remind them of the school bullying policy. Not Helpful 45 Helpful We do! Take a look at these illustrated instructions. There's also a video at the bottom of that article. Not Helpful 25 Helpful People can get a little ridiculous about what makes someone a "true" goth. Try to ignore this; you don't need to justify yourself.
Answer "yes," or, if you want to avoid further questions, say "Well, I like goth fashion" or "I like goth music. Not Helpful 42 Helpful The lines are blurred, but emo tends to be closer to its punk roots in fashion and music tastes. The emo outlook typically focuses more on depression and and emotional sensitivity, while goths are drawn to dark fantasy and death.
Not Helpful 81 Helpful Include your email address to get a message when this question is answered. You do not only have to listen to goth rock or other goth genres to be goth. However, you should listen to enough of the genre to be considered a fan. No goth only listens to goth music, unless they are trying too hard, or are a purist. If you were into any type of music before discovering goth, keep listening to it. Helpful 1 Not Helpful 0.
If you are truly goth, you should be interested in it. Therefore, you should naturally want to research it and find out more. This is the first step to truly being goth.
Your goth fashion is not and should not look like a costume. Although, if you're just starting out, it may look like that for a while. If you should continue, you will get better at the fashion aspect of things. DIY is welcomed in the subculture, so if you can do it, do it! However, if you still want to dress dark but don't have time to DIY, feel free to buy your clothes from anywhere you wish whether it be the mall, online or at a local thrift store.
The music is the most important aspect, after all. It does not change whether you are a fan of the genre. Labelling yourself "goth" does not mean you're a fake or a poseur. It's just a describing word given to someone who has aesthetic, fashion and musical associations with the subculture.
Saying you're not goth would mean that you don't consider yourself part of the subculture and if you do, you do. Stay with your old friends. They don't have to be goth.
Keep in mind, however, that some of your friends may find the new you to be offensive or just too strange and may stop hanging out with you. But never try to convert your friends to goth; let them be themselves like they've let you.
Don't worry about doing non-goth activities. It doesn't make you any less goth, just more of your own person. It stops you becoming stereotypical and it shows that you can still comfortably apply the label and not fit into a box.
Goth blogs are also a good way to get advice straight from the horse's mouth. Consider going to Europe. Goth is usually taken more seriously there: the magazines are good, and the German festival Wave Gotik Treffen is the largest industrial, experimental, goth event going. Remember that goth is an alternative lifestyle: people who are homosexual, bisexual, and transgender are welcome along with anyone who doesn't fit in normal society.
Ease into your new look. People may assume you're not serious or that you're latching onto a trend if you suddenly show up at school decked in Siouxsie Sioux makeup and a death hawk. Remember to only wear what you feel comfortable with; if you don't feel good, then you don't look good. A black t-shirt of a favorite band with black jeans can be just as "goth" as an elaborate vampire get-up. Tips and Warnings. Related Articles. Determine whether or not you're a poseur.
It's not uncommon for you to be trying too hard, but if you want to be honest with yourself, you need to answer this question: Am I trying to be something I'm not? If you want to fit in with a certain crowd, impress people or draw attention to yourself, you're only lying to yourself, and you may end up losing the true you.
It's okay to like goth fashion and not be a Goth, and it's okay to listen to the music and not be Goth. If you're forcing yourself to act a certain way or trying too hard to be something you truly aren't, then just stop, because when you lie to yourself, it is incredibly clear to others. If you simply admire certain aspects of the subculture, try just merging them in with your own style.
Get away from the stereotypes. Throughout the nearly 50 years that the goth subculture has established, numerous stereotypes, misconceptions, and misinformation has surfaced through mainstream media. There are the inside jokes and stereotypes like drinking black coffee, smoking clove cigarettes, and the love for absinthe for the goth community, and then the negative stereotypes that those outside the goth community believe.
These include the commonly incorrect beliefs that: All Goths wear black all the time. Traditional goths did typically tend to wear all black outfits, but as the subculture has grown off-shoots and outgrowths such as romantic goth, deathrock, and the deathrock revival, different types of colours have been added into the style.
Romantic goth typically includes reds and purples, whereas deathrock revival fashion has included white, purple, even bright colours such as pinks and yellows.
All Goths are depressed and suicidal. This is probably the most outrageously untrue of all the stereotypes. Black can mean different things in every culture, including expressing "depression" which is simply not true.
The dark atmosphere of goths comes from the rebellion of the original goths against the bright disco scene of the 70s. Goths are into drugs, alcohol and sleeping around. This again, is completely untrue. Although of course, some Goths may be reckless, this all depends on your own personality, not whether you're Goth or not. Goths are as intelligent as anyone else. Goths worship Satan or evil spirits: This is one of the reasons people wrongly assume Goths are "freaks".
The vast majority of the time this is not true. Just be yourself and believe, or not believe, in what you want to.
Evaluate your music taste. At core, goth is a music based subculture so in order to consider yourself goth, your music taste must contain goth music. A subculture must have aspects, traditions, and characteristics which make it what it is and a common ground for all the people who consider themselves as part of that label.
Much like the metalhead subculture, goth is also based around music. Goth music genres include post-punk goth rock, second wave goth rock, darkwave, deathrock, coldwave, and ethereal wave. There are also goth-friendly music genres that a lot of goths listen to, but don't come from goth itself. This includes EBM electronic body music , industrial fans of industrial are called Rivetheads , and some metal genres. Some people think that by saying "goths listen to goth music" means that goths can ONLY listen to goth music which isn't true.
Just as long as you listen to goth music, you can be considered goth, it does not matter what else you listen to. Do more research into the goth genres, and discover your favourite sound.
Post-punk goth rock are bands such as Bauhaus, Sex Gang Children, Southern Death Cult, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and any other band which transition from post-punk into the darker flavour of goth rock.
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